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Friday, October 02, 2015

Lahore Real Estate Market Direction, Prism DHA Phase 9 Lahore Development Charges and Investment options (CMY - Lahore Real Estate)


DHA Prism development charges announced. What to do now? What to expect now. Market direction? 



Dear friends, before we discuss any points in any details lets have amount of development charges and current prices of Prism for future reference here. 

DHA Prism development charges announced.

I Kanal : 19.50 Lacs
10 Marla : 13 Lacs
5 Marla : 9 Lacs

DHA Prism Commercial plots

8 Marla Commercial 37.50 Lacs
4 Marla commercial : 19.50 Lacs 


Each installment amount of Prism DHA Lahore Phase 9 or Ivy Green phase 8 Z block plots to paid every 3 months. Total 12 Installments

01 Kanal = Rs 162500
10 Marla = Rs 103333
05 Marla = Rs 75000

4 Marla Commercial= Rs 162500
8 Marla Commercial= Rs 312500

Prism Block Wise Prices Before Development Charges Announcement

A 70 to 85
B 57 to 85
C 58 to 85
D 55 to 85
E 55 to 72
F 53 to 75
G 65 to 70
H 55 to 68
J 38 to 43 (10 Marla) 
J 21 to 28 ( 5 Marla )
K 55 to 65 1 Kanal
K 39 to 45 (10 Marla) 
K 23 to 30 (5 Marla) 
L 55 to 72 
L 38 to 45 (10 Marla
L 22 to 25 (5 Marla) 
M 55 to 72 
N 55 to 72
P 55 to 85
Q 60 to 85 
R 57 to 65
R 42 to 45 (10 Marla) 
R 28 to 36 (5 Marla) 

Prism Commercial Plots

4 Marla= 190 to 265 
8 marla= 385 to 500 lacs 

Excluding corner facing park or large roads. Also excluding extremely bad location like boundary or odd size plots etc


Every holder or prospective buyers knew above expected amount of development charges for DHA Lahore Phase 9. I personally have posted these amounts not dozens but 100s of times in my 200 plus whatsapp groups of 100 people each and also on our website www.lahorerealestate.com With grace of Allah I am already in touch with at least 7000 people out of 25000 holders of Prism phase 9. Because I bought them these 2 5 or 10 DHA Lahore phase 9 proper files at prices between 14 and 22 lacs before I left for medical treatment to USA in 2011. These development charges amounts are NOT a surprise any more to any one. At least each of LRE client or website visitors knew it for months.

Almost every one holding Prism plots or dealing Prism already knew they must be paid by buyers in future and will be paid in 12 installments in three years time. Two months ago I informed each client at that time market was at peak in short term time to sell Prism IF they plan to sell and sell it before development charges are actually announced. Most LRE clients sold at peak prices in recent past and well before the herd in market that sold at 4 to 5 lacs lower than Lahore Real Estate clients selling prices. Proud that LRE clients sold their plots at best prices. Holders that were panicking from these expected amounts of development charges already sold their plots during last two months. No one is left anymore still waiting to sell Prism or Ivy Green plots only after development charges were officially announced. Don't make sense to me why would someone wait till now to sell only after development charges are announced. Currently I dont see a single seller selling his plot only due to fear of development charges, 

Yes I see lots of plots still in market for sale but dear friends those are plots from very non serious sellers that always demand 4 to 5 lacs above market going rates and when dealers find them a buyer on those above market prices they still say I have changed my mind my wife/mother/ father /sitter /brother dont agree any more to sell this plot or they just increase their demand prices once again 3 to 5 lacs above their past high demand. Lahore real estate cant force them not to ask higher than market rates and cant force them to sell until they are ready. We are helpless in this case. We normally dont work too hard for these type of non serious people. These sellers will alway be in market even if its up or down. They are just taking chaska only to see what is their plots current worth. These are non committed non serious sellers. They cant take market up or down. 

Now there are other about less than 100 or so plots for sale you see in market that are still in market from day one after ballotand will still be there for long time to come. These are the plots no one is interested in to buy for future healthy gains. These plots are cheapest plots of extremely bad locations like boundary facing graveyards nallah facing commercial facing or odd size Samosa plot etc. These sellers are desperate to find any buyers at any prices but unluckily extremely hard to find buyers in rising or falling markets so even these cant take market up and down. They plots just stay in market for months or years. Dont judge Prism prices trends from these two groups above. Dont consider these very low prices as gauge when buying in Prism. I think I have explained it detail why not. 


Currently my Team LRE call volume data and my own calls email texts volume very clearly indicating to me there are huge numbers of buyers that are waiting on sidelines to buy Prism plots when prices do come down after development charges are announced. They were thinking large amounts of development charges will drive away new other buyers or scare sellers to sell in hurry. I am afraid these friends will not see any more lower prices than you are seeing after recent profit taking small correction in Prism that got prices lower to about 4 to 5 lacs for good blocks good location plots. Will be very hard to get a plot lower than todays prices above. Friends please understand a seller dont have to sell a plot in DHA just due to non ability of seller to pay development charges installment on time. To date DHA Lahore have not canceled even a single plot of any holder just because a plot holder was not paying development charges on time. DHA just impose a fine on each due installment and never forgives that fine in future even for military men. If plot you have to be sold a buyer pays all due installments and fine for you and simply deducted that amount from a agreed price that including development charges but without any fines. Seller must pay fine from his pocket. In all deals you must make clear to dealer if deal is with development charges or not. Buyer pays agreed price plus development charges amounts but dont pay any due fines or other past due charges.

So in short a seller dont have to sell his plot just because he has no ability to pay development charges due installments. BTW since development charges full amount of 19.5 lacs dont have to be paid before a transfers its not a big deal for seller to arrange 1.625 lacs for due installment to have a transfer done. Even a dealer loans them this money temporarily and than deduct it when payment made to seller on transfer day. Since 1.625 lac is not a big amount for each installment every three months I dont see holders selling their plots just due to development charges pressure or reason. 


For next three months no major fall in prices expected. Only a flat market till mid December 2015 or early January 2016. After that Lahore Ring Road construction starting. Development starting in DHA Lahore phase 9 Prism. Possession of rest of DHA7 will also help Prism and Ivy Green too. Ivy Green on ground enough development work will be visible as currently DHA at work in Ivy Green. Many serious buyers like most Taxi drivers from USA Europe travel to Pakistan for annual visit to Pakistan with lots of money made from Xmas new year work to buy property in Pakistan. This time is always a good time for property as no budget talks taxes talk etc. Many new projects are heavily marketed on TV newspapers .They are offered during this time like DHA PentaSquare apartments are going to be offered in DHA phase 5. All this hype in media TV ads newspaper ads gives buyers a good feeling that property market is going very strong and OK to buy any property now 

My suggestion for buyers is to start buying between now and Jan 2016. Dont wait for prices to come down any more. Its not possible for any one to predict the market lowest points or highest points. For even a person like me who have full Team LRE on my back and personally having 12 years experience in dealing 1000s of DHA and Bahria Town plots and files and opportunity to have first call text email from each seller buyer no matter from what estate he is dealing hid property its not possible for me to catch exact right time to enter or exit. So if you want to have long term hold in some safe low risk high return simply superb location investment in DHA Lahore phase 9 Prism that is fraud free Qabza group free fraud free not a one man show go for it my friends and go for it between now and Mid Dec 2015. You still have some chance to buy good locations at good prices. 

There may be some people like village people still left in market that may sell because they don't have access to Internet like you do to learn how development charges do workout in long run. Their old time type dealers scare the shit out of them to force them sell the plots in hurry saying baba jee 20 lukh dena painey jey har plot utey. Sarey plot jaldi nul waich duo. Keemat deg pani jey 

Also one more point must be disclosed here that I should have mentioned above first. In all past ballots I have learned military allotted plots are always very good location plots and since most military men are very principled persons most of them dont commit to sell or do any baiana or token until they actually have an intimation latter in their hands clearly stating their plot number development charges amount and also have obtained NOC with them only than they do sell a plot. So from these military men some selling of plots is is expected but do keep in mind these are not very needy people that need money in a hurry. They just sell to buy commercial plots in DHA Lahore etc for having some contestant monthly income each month to keep same lifestyle after retirements. Also keep in mind development charges are going to be lower for military plots but sale prices will be higher due to this fact to match prices with civilian plots prices. There are 6000 dealers in DHA Lahore market. They are now going to be in direct competition to buy these plots first on baina from these military men so I am afraid you wont get good deals on these plots after dealers take their profits for taking chances on baian deals. Many dealers recently did lost big amounts upto 5 lacs on each plot in last fall in prices as most dealers thought prices in Prism will only shoot to moon near Bakra Eid . There are many groups of dealers that buy every thing available in market these deals. Dealers are mostly now richer than average buyer  So I request you to be extra careful and not wait too long. These military plots should show up in market after about 30 days from now. 


At Lahore Real Estate we dont ever do Baiana deals for our own estate. We suggest you try your best not to sell plot on baina to any one. Many estate only buy sell Baina plots. We try our best to get you each rupee that you possibly could have. Our priority is to have as many direct face to face deals possible among our own clientage first. Only If a direct plot are not available in our own LRE clients pool where buyer is looking for a plot or If we get a very good fair price than market going rates If we already know we clearly tell our clients it will be a baina plot from market but still ok to buy it. Many times even we are kept in complete dark till deal is done locked that plot was on baina. This is a normal practice we cant avoid it in market If we have to keep dealing in DHA Lahore. In most cases we dont have any control what others will do with our plots after they they agreed to buy our clients plots on our clients demanded price. If plot is available at right price and a good location we do tell and recommended our clients to buy a plot or sell a plot instead of keep waiting and seeing prices go higher and higher or lower in falling markets in case of selling. Some ground realities that many people dont understand but I had to get it of my chest  

Prism DHA Phase 9 Lahore due to the fact that it is best located best planned best access wise and already populated from all four side like from Ferozpur road side Stat life HS side DHA 5 side Askari 11 side DHA town side and even on nallah side there are farmhouses collages hospitals factories and developed schemes like Inmol GTS etc. 

If bought today Prism DHA Lahore phase 9 can easily gain us a 125% to 150% return in next 5 years from average price of today at 89 lacs including development charges of 19 lacs( Without development charges average Price of Prism is still 70 lacs). Even today DHA Lahore phase 6 and 8 plots are selling at above 2 crore for average plots prices. In 5 years time DHA 6 DHA 8 prices are expected by me to be at about 3 crore on average. DHA phase 8 Z block Ivy Green will be at around 2 crore in 5 years from today. DHA phase 7 will be at about 2 crore plus that will be still close to 100%gain from today. Prism DHA 9 proper is expected to be at 2.5 crores when its developed and ready to build. Friends even today in not too good location a 5 marla plots in DHA town cost 46 to 64 lacs each for 5 marla. Imagine the price here in next 5 years So my estimated amounts are highly likely. Looking at Lahore Ring Road having 3 interchanges in DHA phase 9 Prism. Largest number of widest roads network is only in Prism. There are over 50 parks Grean areas in Prism DHA Lahore phase 9. Also Prism master plan have largest commercial areas in it. DHA planners must knew some thing better than us so they planned so many commercial in this very large phase. Nothing guaranteed as no technical indicators available to prove my points. Its just a wild guess based on past 12 years experience with Bahria town and DHA Lahore dozens of projects progress and prices history etc.


Prism block A B C D P Q R H should be your first choice to buy a plot for good location. These blocks should give you highest possible return but make sure location you buy is good in these blocks. Try your best to onoy deal with Lahore Real Estate but please feel free to ask me on WhatsApp to buy or not to buy each location before you lock the deal even if you are buying it from any other estate. We are not 100% perfect but I promise you we are far better that any other estate agency in DHA Lahore. Why not give your Lahore Real Estate a chance to serve you. You will feel the positive difference. That is my commitment to you.

Upper blocks of DHA Lahore phase 9 prism will get developed and handed over first just like DHA phase 7 did or DHA 6 upper block did. Due to huge size DHA plan to develop and deliver possession block wise starting possessions as early as two years starting with A C D P etc . Lower blocks could take as long as 5 to 7 years time . DHA Lahore is claiming it will deliver it all on fast track in just 3 years but looking at past track I am not too hopeful. Average possession time of 5 years should be kept in your mind with 3 years minimum and 7 years maximum. 

Ivy Green DHA phase 8 block will be ready in max 3 years. Access road is not good but project itself will be small gated community with DHA Lahore name and free from Qabza groups fraud allotments or map changes etc. If want to build a house in 3 to 5 years buy it now. Small plots should be bought in here. For investment dont buy 1 kanal plots in here as most plots here are small size. This project will alway be considers a low income phase because numbers of small plots is way too high. Commercial plots will gain big in future as too many families will live here. Fewer available commercials and on top It will be ready for sure in 3 years so commercial can possibly generate rental income in 3 to 4 years time.

DHA Lahore phase 7 is now almost ready for all blocks possession. With recent partial possession in Y and Z blocks its prices will gain slowly but steadily. Lowest risk of price drop in future. Not as strong gainer for future as Prism or Ivy Green block but more secure just in case economy or political situation gets worse any time in future. Buy it If you plan to build a house in next 2 to 4 years. Prefer T U blocks over Y or Z blocks. If can afford best block to live will be R P S. Dont buy Q near Pungali or Berki road. 

DHA Lahore phase 6. Friends once again if not planning to make a house here its time to move money out of here. Keep money in DHA other phases and still get twice more return. Buy if wanna build a house today. One of my most favorite phase before Prism arrived. Well planned and a big hit  For house best blocks are B H J.


DHA Lahore phase 8 . Also not good any more for investment. Seen enough rise in past. No more room left for further strong gains. If not making house here please sell to buy two plots in DHA 9 Prism after 5 years you may see prices are equal in Prism9 &DHA8 and you will be holding two plots instead of one  See I am giving you a free plot in DHA best phases Please pay attention now 
For houses best block is W and for investment gain buy a good plot in S block away from many graveyard in S blocks. It will win at end due to LSE. Buy DHA8 X S for investment and W T U V for living. 

These are my new recommendations

For return of 200%+ buy DHA Phase 9 Prism commercial especially Civic Zone 1 in P block of Prism 8 marla commercial plots and Oval Complex 4 marla plots before your buy residential plots if you can afford it unless you are a investor and wanna get in out on regular bases. Commercial plots very hard to buy o. right prices and take time to sell at right prices. Buy Prism one kanal in A B C D P Q R H. Buy 10 marla in C and R. Buy five marla in R block and J upper area near Lahore Ring Road interchange near Ashiana housing

Buy DHA 7 T U upper Y and Upper Z block for investment. P R S T U W for good living. Buy DHA 7 commercials. Could return 200% plus.

Buy Ivy Green for smallest 5 marla plots could return 125% in 5 years. Buy commercial in Ivy Green Could return 200%. 

Buy DHA Multan kanal could return 200% in 5 years and DHA Gujranwala 10 marla could return 150% in 5 years

Buy DHA City Lahore 5 marla and 10 marla but need your patience I could return 200% in 5 years. 


Buy Lake City Sui Gas phase 2 Lahore on ground ready to build plots could return 150% in 5 years,


Buy NFC phase 2 plots could return 150% in 5 yrs


Buy Bahria Orchard on ground plots could return 150% in 5 years. Buy Bahria on ground plots in sector C D E F could return. 

I dont have any safe investments on installments to recommend. Avoid Paragon, LDA CityNew Lahore City, Elite, ParkviewVillas Multan road, If holding on ground plots dont worry but avoid further investments in files till further notice. In past some of these projects were good but in future could see some troubles. Not a buy for me at this time. If I see some positive development I will update. Its your money if feel ok go ahead buy them. 

100s billions Rs worth projects in Lahore like Orange Line Train , Lahore ring road construction, Rawind road & Defence road widening , Knowledge park huge facilties and a Kidney liver transplant 400 bed hospital near DHA6 DHA9 and in DHA7 area are going to keep Lahore market alive and rising in short term and will greatly help in achieving price gains I guessed above. Rest only Allah knows best. Good luck to every property holder in each project. Its your life time saving and all my prayers are with you



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Wednesday, July 29, 2015

Installments Plots Trap Explained (Lahore Real Estate)


I am a housewife and I am interested in purchasing a file with my monthly savings. Can you advise me where should i invest where i can make a down payment and then pay installments every month. Down payment amount is not an issue and i can pay installments of upto 1-1.5 lac per month. I was interested in lda city but i heard that this scheme is a flop. I am not looking for immediate profit but i want to leave this for some 15 years as i intend to buy for my kids. Jazakallah khair and prayers for your help. 
(Mrs Ahmad)



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This post is for answer to question of Mrs Ahmad 
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For past many years I have witnessed looting by many big and small real estate developers of some very needy people who cant afford to pay cash amount to buy a property but are able to afford some savings of from hard earned money from working in very tough jobs and by working extra hours to make it possible to have plot where they can build their future dream house. 

I have tried dozens of times in past to warn people not to get into installments plots booking trap. wrote post after post begging people not to book new projects that are launched one after another every months. Some of these developers have less number of plots in their projects than the number of times they launched projects for same land. Its done shamelessly every month because there is now low in Pakistan to stop all this looting. Before I go any further I will tell you a true story.

Bahria Town launched Awami villas project and offers 5 Marla house in 3.5 lacs that included land cost and the house construction. 1000s of 1000s very poor people booked these villas in Lahore and Rawalpindi. I cant tell you the exact number but trust me I got dizzy when I saw actual number of these villas that were booked on both cities.


After these villas were launched two brother and sister came to my office. Lady just retired from teaching job few months ago and was doing tutions to make money. One brother was going to retire same month from his Pakistan railway job and 2nd brother was still working in KSA as laborer but was on visit to Pakistan and had very small saving amount from his job there. They told me what they are what is their saving and what they plan to do. They said someone told them from website you guys are biggest dealers in Bahria town and job we have can be only done by Lahore Real Estate. They said we all three want to live on same street next to each other but there is no place where they can find even a plot of five marla in about 5 lacs saving each one of them have. They said we saw TV ads and newspapers ads that Bahria Town is offering these very cheap houses and promising in all TV programs that they will deliver them before installments are paid because Bahria Town is important machinery to build them in days from Malaysia. They said all news anchors like Kamran Khan is praising Malik Raiz in one hour program how he is going to do it. They said we could have bought these villas from market but our fried in KSA said only go to LRE. He told us only LRE can ask Bahria to either allot them all three villas next to each other if not please buy a 3 villas from open market for us.


After listing to them me and my brother Adil Saeed tried to convince them for full 2.5 hours Its not like what they are seeing in newspapers and seeing on TV. Its not practical at this price even if Malik Riaz is serious. These villas will never be built. Please save your money because this is your life saving. You will lose money and also lose your sleep. Gave them detailed example of BT 9 Pindi. Told them for our small commission amount we just cant commit this crime especially when all three of you are so simple hard working salaried people. I especially got very emotional because my mom also worked all her life as school teacher too to earn bread for us like my dad because dad job salary was not enough to meet our family daily needs. But after 2.5 hours me and Adil bhai gave up. All three said they have no other option and want to take risk even knowing the full story from me about Bahria Town phase 9 Rawalpindi that I had posted here many years ago too near and after launch of that BT phase 9 Pindi. We told them ballot is not done and Malik Raiz wont listen to us. BT only ask our help in setting up new rates for BT sector C etc and we only buy sell ON GROUND plots Bahria Town Lahore canal bank sector A B C only. We were not dealing in BT 9 or Bahria Town Orchard It was made cleared to each client at that time. To make story short we bought villas for them at lowest posible price of OWN (Profit money on booking) and didnt charge any commission to them. Told them IF ballot is ever held come back to us and we will try to get three villas next to each other from market with lowest cost. They were so happy Its cant be put in words here. 

About 3.5 years all 3 once again walked into my office and Me and Adil were always sitting in same room. When we saw them through office glass window before they entered our room Adil said they are here to sell those villas. Sure enough they came in sat on sofa and all three started to cry with tears flowing in their eyes. Adil had to go for multiple DHA transfers for a very rich client from Karachi but he stopped and sent other LRE team member for completing 1st transfer after looking at these three persons in tears. They said we paid all installments we paid excess development charges but still there is no location no Awami villa not even a location where it will be located in Lahore. They said each of them is going to lose 3.25 lacs of them after net payments because no one want these Awami villas and Bahria town is refunding only paid amount after taking 20% out as penalty for cancellation and not OWN ( Profit money ). They said they are three are so ashamed for not listing to us. Even though LRE was largest dealership dealing in Bahria Lahore only plots at that you guys refused to sell us those villas. Didnt charge us any commission. Please do charge us this and past commision and sell these villas at first call while we are here. We dont care about price any more. Just sell them and get us out. Take out rest commission adnd pay us rest of the money. 

They insisted us to make a call to some dealer or buyer and dump these villas now. They are never going to buy an plots on instalment and will prefer to stay in 5 marla house for all three families but will only buy it when they have cash to buy it. This is what we suggested them when they came to our office to buy these villas. Adil bhai told them to give us original papers they had in hand told them to wait for his call to come back. They left.
Adil and me also had tears in our eyes after they left. Adil told me bhai If you dont mind I am going to to skip all my transfers for party from Karachi to help these three get best possible price. He also said we are not going to charge any past or even this commission if its ok with me. I told I am proud of you for saying this. Go ahead try your best to get them maximum money back by reducing their loss. Till today me and Adil cant forget those people or that day and those facing of all three very very simple people. Their Villas were sold on couple of days at best market rate at that time and loss was reduced to 2.5 lacs each

This is one deal that unforgettable out of 1000s deals we did in past 12 years and may have forgotten.


Now lets get back to how this fraud of installments bookings is actually play


Developer get a team of dealers ready. Mostly dealers that deal in his projects frequently. Offers them 5% to 15% depending on how fast or slow market is or how bad his project that may need lot of work to convince clients to book in the project. Dealers get this 5% to 15% amount on booking his each plot book the plots for clients. Dealer books it and developer makes payment right away from booking amount. 


Developer if he have land for 1000 plots will book 3000 plots with massive campaign of newspapers full page ads TV ads and all dealers plots wanted advertisements in Jang newspaper separately for team of 50 to 100 dealers. These daily wanted property starting from couple of weeks before actual launch of NEW PROJECT from same developers are fully paid by the developers them self. Dealers names and phone number are used on massive fake wanted plots campaign.

Developers set a pre launch price for 1000 plots lets assume at 10 lacs (For 2 Lacs dicscount on launch price of 12 lacs). 

Dealers now start to offer pre booking at 10 lacs to their own clients showing them newspaper and saying look at all these plots wanted ads in Jang in last 2 weeks. There is already massive demand for plots for this developer old projects and new project is about to be launched soon. Book a plot here as it will be hard to find any plots after official launch and you may have to go for ballot to get a plot here. Maximum pre launch booking is done. 

Developers start to offering another 1500 plots to book at 12 lacs each plot.

A massive newspaper and TV ads campaign along with plots wanted ads from dealers paid by developers is launched. Developers own marking team starts booking at 12 lacs each plot. Dealers call its clients that booked at 10 lacs to buy book more plots at 12 lacs because he is already in paper profit of 2 lacs compared to developers booking.


Booking time ends developers and dealers play games of high own on 12 lacs launch price claiming there is still too much demand in market. But If you want to sell there is no buyer at any price. 

About 1 to 2 month later dealers and developers go to sleep. All newspaper ads are gone. Developers start to offer his last lot of 500 plots out of 3000 plots against. If market is fast developer sells as many plots in shortest time he can until plot gets into loss of about 40% from booking price. If market is slow he sell enough plots to keep his plots 40% lower than market. Developer wont give you how many total plots sold. When a ballot will be held. What will be actual location. You are on your own. You wait for 1 or 2 to hope price will improve to recover loss. Than you will sell plots at loss to same dealers that booked it for you. He buys plot for developers and gives back to developer gets his 5% commission again from developer. Or you return to developers and take 20% loss on paid amount. developer uses same files to sell in market again. Developer keep playing games by selling his files in market at his price when ever price gained a little. And than buy back to lock profit. Since supply is endless you can win. Developers is also geting his files back with each rufund so float in market is shrinking back to 1000. When that number of 1000 files for 1000 plot land is reached a ballot is held. 

Those who held it for 3 to 5 years from launch day during this pain full time of major losses could now see a plot go in profit due to market conditions of surrounding plots lower number of available plots after developer got all his extra files out of market. If your plots was worth 18 lacs. You booked at 12 lacs plus had to pay 3 lacs development charges. Your net cost is 15 lacs and price is now 18 lacs. At this point you are hit with one last hammer again in form of 3 lacs extra development charges. Your are back to where you started at 12 lacs. If you started at 10 lacs pre launch you have made 2 lacs gains. 

You took all the pain and headache all the stress but developer walks away 3 lacs more profit with downing any thing but paperwork. 

After extra development charges are paid by you a ballot is held. Developer gives you a plot on boundary or very bad location. He keeps are cream plots to him self. Developers sells his cream plots and start to wait for you to sell your very bad location plot. 

Each time you go to your dealers NEW office to sell your boundary location plot. Your dealer that was on a motorcycle when you booked plots on pre launch has a new BMW parked outside his office. At this time he will have at least 6 to 8 inch long beard and saved head with a pug on it and most likely be on an Umrah trip with all his family asking Allah to forgive his past sins for robbing you for so many years.

Best time to buy an installment plot is after its ballot is done and extra development charges are already imposed. 

If you start saving your money today. You will have enough funds in hand after years of saving to buy same plot that you were going to book on installment at 10 lacs pre launch. I am 99.999% sure.


In DHA or Govt projects or Fazia projects you dont get above games and extra development charges injections.



syed shoaib replied on Saturday, May 9, 2015 05:54 AM PST 

I was doing engineering few years back and all other sibling were studying too. but all those years i was not able to live happily because parents health issue and of two events that put half of hard earned savings of father on stake , one an uncle scam us on sunder industrial plot, second we paid installment for years in bahria town sector c, both files were cancelled because they were on best location and only two installment was delayed but submitted , both files were bought by mamu in 6 lac own ,they made us to settle in orchard , father is always against installment thing , it paid us a lot and drag me into property thing, orchard plots i sold cheaply to meet needs ,always on grounded plots pay sufaid posh ppl. my lil experience.

syed shoaib replied on Saturday, May 9, 2015 06:17 AM PST

And to add up to this life teaches u many things , i have high ranked close army relatives but no one came to rescue us or to uplift justice , nor we relied on anyone because when my dada renowned syed in his old age migrated from near by punjab but indian side and got 10 percent of land from claim he used to have in other side of punjab , locals now famous politiceans near that land steal it from dada and his lil sons and dada brother who was a local and living already near lahore and high ranked gov servant and land owner of good piece of land where now dha of lahore is never came to help so u r alone with ur troubles , only u have to sort in end so better dnt put yourself in trouble.

syed shoaib replied on Saturday, May 9, 2015 06:31 AM PST

New lahore city good reputed developers but still i think they over booked as in lda record they own only 300 kanal , park view multan owned or co owned by aleem khan though i am supporter of pti but beside , few ppl got plot in early blocks but majority waiting in park view to get their plots after possession , i will only suggest go for installment even in military schemes only.

Tahir replied on Saturday, May 9, 2015 07:08 AM PST

CMY: Thanks for sharing; to educate and save common folks of Pakistan.

Overthesea replied on Saturday, May 9, 2015 10:31 AM PST

Appreciated, an eye opener reality. but keep it re-posting once a month as people have tendency to forget.

Hussain Kaisrani replied on Saturday, May 9, 2015 01:00 PM PST

CMY - My Guru! Salaam,
I am your fan ever since you started writing online. I try to read every single word you write on this page and learn a lot.
You have very rightly explained how developers play games with the help of dealers. I have also written about these market strategies but your way of writing and sincerity is simply remarkable.
Having said that this game is only good for experienced players / investors.
Thank you very much for this detailed piece of information.
I wish and pray for your good health and speedy recovery.

saima replied on Saturday, May 9, 2015 01:13 PM PST

i am the victim of islamabad new city in ppp benazir government,cda and nha scheme of govt of pakistan,paid for two plots and zardaree ran away with our life savings.Allah will do justice inshAllah if not here on the judgement day.

CMY replied on Saturday, May 9, 2015 01:41 PM PST

Hussain Kaisrani bhai you cant imagine how happy I am right now to see you here. Welcome back and stay here. I know you are more crazt than me to help expat friends. You and Raheem bhai Assad were just too amazing people here I loved to read each post and lean a lot from them.

You was always great help to my expat friends for Bahria Town area. You know I my self only dealt with DHA while Adil Bhai was handling all Bahria side projects. Since I came here poor Adil has so much call volume he dont have any time to do any thing other than to his Namaz time.


I know you are very busy but If you can answer here and there for Bahria that will be big help for me to learn latest ground realities there.

Again I am delighted to see you. We just got to find Raheem Bhai too now :)

Choudry Mujahid Yasin ( CMY )
info@LREPK.Com

Hussain Kaisrani replied on Saturday, May 9, 2015 08:44 PM PST

Thanks a lot dear CMY! I am always there on this page brother. Highly obliged for your kind words about me and my work dear.
I really enjoyed following comments of yours as I am witness to it. I have personally seen a top most dealer of Lahore in brother Adil Saeed office recently who was almost crying and confessing about his frauds with hundreds poor people in bookings of very famous project.

"Each time you go to your dealers NEW office to sell your boundary location plot. Your dealer that was on a motorcycle when you booked plots on pre launch has a new BMW parked outside his office. At this time he will have at least 6 to 8 inch long beard and shaved head with a pug on it and most likely be on an Umrah trip with all his family asking Allah to forgive his past sins for robbing you for so many years."

(Courtesy: Lahore Real Estate)
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 ملک ریاض کا طریقہ واردات

ملک ریاض ایک شخص کا نہیں بلکہ ایک طریقۂ واردات کا نام ہے۔ اُن کے متعلق کوئی شخص بھی زبان کھولنے کے لئے تیار نہیں ہوتا۔ اُنہوں نے بے پناہ دولت کے ذخائر جس طرح جمع کئے ہیں ، وہ اگر دیانت داری سے کئے ہوتے تووہ ملک میں ایک مثال بن کر جیتے۔ مگر وہ سیاسی اور فوجی اثرورسوخ کے ساتھ ایک خاص طریقے سے کاروبار کو برتتے ہیں جس کا اندازا بہت کم لوگوں کو ہیں ۔ وہ اپنے ہر پراجیکٹ کو ایک انوکھے فراڈ سے کامیاب بناتے ہیں ۔ مگر پاکستان میں فراڈ کو جانچنے کے لئے درکار ضروری دیانت داری کا دور دور تک کوئی نام ونشان نہیں پایا جاتا ۔ چنانچہ ملک ریاض کے خلاف قانون کے حرکت میں آنے کا مطلب اس کے سوا کچھ اور نہیں ہوتا کہ ایک بار پھر نئے لین دین کے آثار اور امکانات پیدا کردئے جائیں۔ ملک ریاض کے فراڈ کے ہمہ گیر طریقہ کار کو کسی بھی ایک تحریرمیں پوری طرح سامنے نہیں لایا جاسکتا۔ زیر نظر رپورٹ میں اُن کے مختلف النوع فراڈ کے محض ایک پہلو سے پردہ اُٹھایا جارہا ہے۔ جو اُن کی ہاؤسنگ اسکیموں کی کامیابی میں ایک کلاسیک ماڈل کی حیثیت اختیار کر گیا ہے۔
ملک ریاض صاحب کا طریقۂ واردات یہ ہے کہ وہ جب بھی کسی نئی ہاؤسنگ اسکیم کا اعلان کرتے ہیں تو اس کے لئے ابتدائی ادائی (یعنی ڈاون پے منٹ )اور اس کے ساتھ وصول ہونے والی پہلی قسط کی مالیت بہت کم رکھتے ہیں۔ جس کا مطلب یہ ہوتا ہے کہ ایک عام آدمی اس ا سکیم کی طرف متوجہ ہوجاتا ہے اور سوچتا ہے کہ اتنی کم ابتدائی ادائی سے وہ پلاٹ لینے والوں کی دوڑ میں شامل ہو سکتا ہے۔ یعنی اگر انہوں نے مارکیٹ میں پانچ مرلے یعنی 125 گز کا پلاٹ اگر بیس لاکھ روپے میں بیچنا ہے تو وہ اس کی ابتدائی قیمت کو کبھی بھی ایک لاکھ سے اوپر نہیں جانے دیں گے۔ اب وہ کرتے یہ ہیں کہ اگر انہوں نے ایک اسکیم میں ایک ہزار پلاٹ کاٹنے ہیں تو وہ ان ایک ہزار پلاٹوں کے عوض دس ہزار فائلیں بناتے ہیں اور ان دس ہزار فائلوں میں تقریباً اڑھائی سے تین ہزار فائلیں اپنے ان پالتو 2600 سے زائد پراپرٹی ڈیلرز میں تقسیم کر دیتے ہیں جو پورے ملک میں پھیلے ہوئے ہیں۔ یہ پراپرٹی ڈیلر پورے ملک میں ماحول بناتے ہیں اور عام لوگوں کو قائل کرتے ہیں کہ اس ا سکیم سے تو گویا تیل ہی نکل آنا ہے اس لئے اسے سرمایہ کاری کے طور پر ہی سہی خریدنا عین عقل مندی ہے۔
یہ پراپرٹی ڈیلر پچاس ہزار کے عوض خریدی گئی اس فائل سے زیادہ سے زیادہ منافع کمانے کے لئے اسے زیادہ سے زیادہ مہنگا کرنے کی کوشش کرتے ہیں۔ یوں یہ پچاس ہزار کی ابتدائی ادائی والی فائل کو جیک اپ کر کے کم از کم دس لاکھ روپے تک لے جاتے ہیں۔ اس دوڑ میں جیسے ہی فائل آٹھ لاکھ کی سطح پار کرتی ہے تو ملک صاحب بذاتِ خود باقی سات ہزار فائلیں بیچنے کے لئے مارکیٹ میں اتر آتے ہیں۔ اور یوں ایک ایسا کاغذ جس کے پیچھے کوئی اثاثہ موجود ہی نہیں وہ مارکیٹ میں مہنگے داموں بک جاتا ہے۔
جب وہ اپنا یہ سارا سودا بیچ لیتے ہیں تو پھر ایک دم اسی سکیم کے بارے میں منفی خبریں مارکیٹ میں پھیلادی جاتی ہیں ۔ مثلاً یہ کہ ترقیاتی کام نہیں ہو رہے۔ فلاں سیاست دان ملک کے خلاف ہو گیا ہے وغیرہ وغیرہ اور یہ خبریں پھیلانے کا سب سے بڑا ذریعہ یہ پراپرٹی ڈیلرز ہی ہوتے ہیں۔
اس کے بعد سب سے منفی خبر یہ ہوتی ہے کہ پلاٹوں کی باقاعدہ فائلیں کھلوا کر ادائیگی کا شیڈول بحریہ ٹاون کی انتظامیہ سے طے کر لیا جائے اور اس کے بڑے بڑے اشتہارات اخبارات میں چھپوائے جاتے ہیں۔ اب اعصاب کی جنگ شروع ہوتی ہے۔ کئی لوگوں نے سرمایہ کاری کے جوش میں ایک سے زائد اور بعض نے درجنوں فائلیں خرید لی ہوتی ہیں جب کہ ان کی اوقات ایک فائل کی قسطیں ادا کرنے کی نہیں ہوتی ۔ لہٰذا وہ یہ کرنے کی کوشش کرتی ہیں کہ کچھ فائلیں بیچ کر بقیہ کی قسط ادا کر دیں، لیکن ہوتا یہ ہے کہ کچھ عرصہ پہلے وہی پراپرٹی ڈیلر جو اس فائل کو دس لاکھ روپے میں بھی سستا کہہ کر سرمایہ داروں کو تھما رہے ہوتے ہیں وہ اب یہی فائل دو لاکھ روپے میں بھی خریدنے کے روادار نہیں ہوتے۔ بہت سی صورتوں میں تو یہ فائل اپنی اصل قیمت (ہمارے اوپر والی مثال میں پچاس ہزار روپے میں ہی ) بک پاتی ہے۔
اب ملک صاحب اپنے ایجنٹ پراپرٹی ڈیلروں کو رو بہ عمل لاتے ہیں اور دس لاکھ روپے میں بیچی گئی فائل کو پچاس ہزار روپے میں واپس خرید کر ضائع کرنا شروع کر دیتے ہیں۔ کچھ لوگ ناگزیر وجوہات کی بنا پرقسطیں نہیں دے پاتے اور انتظامیہ ان کو قطعاً نہیں پوچھتی۔ لیکن جب وہ انتظامیہ سے رابطہ کرتے ہیں تو انہیں بتایا جاتا ہے کہ ہم نے تو یہ فائل پچاس ہزار روپے میں بیچی تھی، آپ نے دس لاکھ میں خریدی تو اس میں ہمارا کیا قصور؟ آپ نے ساڑھے نو لاکھ روپے کا پریمئم ادا کیا تھا ، ہمارے پاس آپ کے پچاس ہزار روپے محفوظ ہیں جو پندرہ یا بیس فی صد کٹوتی کے بعد آپ کو واپس مل سکتے ہیں۔
اص صورت میں زیادہ امکان تو یہی ہوتا ہے کہ جب تک ان کی ایک ہزار پلاٹوں والی ا سکیم اپنے اصلی خد و خال میں واضح ہو کر پلاٹوں کی قرعہ اندازی کے مرحلے تک آتی ہے تو مارکیٹ میں ایک ہزار فائلیں ہی باقی رہ جاتی ہیں۔ لیکن اگر کچھ فائلیں زائد بھی ہوں تو پھر آواز لگا دی جاتی ہے کہ وہ زائد لوگ اپنی فائلیں پہلے سے بنی ہوئی کسی اسکیم میں ایڈجسٹ کروا لیں (جیسا کہ ڈی ایچ اے ویلی کے دس ہزار پلاٹوں کو بحریہ ٹاون کراچی اور بحریہ ٹاون راولپنڈی میں ایڈجسٹ کروا لینے کے اشتہارات آج کل اخباروں کی زینت بن رہے ہیں) ۔ یوں جن ایک ہزار یا اس سے کچھ زائد لوگوں کو پلاٹ مل جاتے ہیں وہ پورے شہر میں ملک صاحب کی عظمت اور دریا دلی کے گن گانے کے لئے موجود رہتے ہیں اور سینکڑوں راتب خور پراپرٹی ڈیلر ان کے علاوہ۔ اور اس پر مستزاد میڈیا پر چلنے والے اشتہارات کی بدولت ان کی عظمت کا سورج ہمیشہ سوا نیزے پر ہی رہتا ہے۔اور لٹنے والا اپنی قسمت کو کوستا رہتا ہے۔
اس میں ایک اور اہم بات یہ بھی ہے اپنی ا سکیم میں اس جوئے کو مزید معتبر بنانے کے لئے وہ کسی نہ کسی حاضر سروس جرنیل کا نام بھی استعمال کرنے سے باز نہیں آتے۔ مشرف دور میں لاہور میں متعین جرنیل صاحبان کو فائلیں تحفے میں دی گئیں۔ فرض کیا جرنیل صاحب کو تحفے میں دو فائلیں دی گئیں لیکن ان کے نام سے دو سو فائلیں بیچی گئیں۔ اب خریدنے والا تو یہی سمجھے گا حاضر سروس جرنیل دو نمبری کیسے کر سکتا ہے۔ اور یوں ان کے کاروبار کی ساکھ کو وردی کا سہارا بھی دستیاب ہو جاتا ہے۔
تو اس کیس میں وہ ہزاروں فائلیں اور ان کے بدلے سٹّے بازی سے کمایا گیا پیسہ ہی ان کی اصل کمائی ہوتی ہے اور وہ پلاٹوں کے خریداروں کے پیسے ایمانداری سے ا سکیم کی ترقی پر لگا دیتے ہیں اور ان کی ا سکیم باقی اسکیموں کے مقابلے میں بہت بہتر صورت میں سامنے آ جاتی ہے۔
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رضی نامہ
ملک ریاض کا طریقہ واردات
رضوان الرحمن رضی
کالم نمبر 227
تاریخ اشاعت 13نومبر 2015ء
http://www.dadapota.pk/urdu-columns/malik-riaz.html

Saturday, July 25, 2015

Lahore Ring Road Impact on Bahria Town Lahore – The Good and the Bad (Abu Bakar Hijazi)




Bahria Town Lahore is one of the city’s most popular and modern housing societies, but the initiation of work on the southern loop of Lahore Ring Road (LRR) has created a bit of restlessness among the landowners and property investors in this unique suburban locality, since it is expected that LRR will cut through it. These people are keen to know the benefits and/or disadvantages of LRR passing through Bahria Town, so let’s discuss them here.

Advantages
What is the main reason why many people don’t like the idea of living or investing in Bahria Town Lahore? It is, of course, the project’s distance from the city’s central locations. Bahria Town Lahore is located 15 kilometers from Kalma Chowk and this is the main reason why many people do not consider it the ideal place to live or invest in.
With LRR passing through Bahria Town, the distance issue will be resolved. Via LRR, the residents of Bahria Town will have all major locations of the city within easy reach. As and when the southern loop of LLR is completed, Allama Iqbal International Airport and DHA Lahore will be just 15 and 10 minutes away from Bahia Town respectively, while other major areas such as Ferozepur Road, Mall Road and Gulberg will also become more approachable from the society.
Disadvantages
Per the information I have come across, LRR’s route through Bahria Town will bring it close to the Grand Jamia Masjid of Sector C. If this route is finalised, Iqbal Block, Rafi Block, Jinnah Block (a small area only), E Block and Overseas Block Extension in Bahria Town Lahore will be directly affected.
Property possession in all of the above-mentioned blocks is available and many landowners have already started construction. Along with residential plots, some commercial plots in Sector E will also see the negative effects of LRR. The plots that might fall within LRR’s proposed route and right of way are located on both sides of the circular highway in E Block, and to the best of my knowledge they are plots number 01 to 24, 59 to 106, 149 to 172 on one side and plots number 01 to 16 and 47 to 81 on the other side. However, please let me point out that this is unconfirmed, and only the Bahria Town management can tell you with certainty exactly which properties will fall under LRR’s final route.
The owners of these plots are likely to be troubled if their properties are taken up by LRR, because one of two things will happen: Bahria Town’s management will offer them compensation, or the government will pay them per the market rate.
The Deputy Commissioner (DC) rate of these plots is PKR 200,000 per marla. According to some unofficial news sources, the CEO of Bahria Town has announced that Bahria Town will pay the market rates of these properties to owners or adjust their properties in other blocks. Sadly though, the market rates of these plots are dropping, for obvious reasons.
I have also heard that the Bahria Town management is not willing to allow an overhead bridge for LRR since it would compromise the peace and security that Bahria Town is known for. In the absence of an LRR overhead bridge in Sector E, it would become very difficult for people to move between Sectors E and F, since LRR necessarily has to be signal-free. Because of mobility and accessibility issues, investment in these blocks will also decrease, which will cause their value to depreciate further.
Conclusion
In my opinion, the disadvantages of Lahore Ring Road for Bahria Town far outweigh any positives, but the Bahria Town management seems to be busy tending to other matters. Mr Malik Riaz needs to understand that the investors who trust his vision and strength to handle such issues are waiting for him to do something to protect people’s life savings.
(Courtesy: Zameen.com)

Monday, April 30, 2012

No load shedding in Bahria Town - Can it DHA will follow example



I recently visited Bahria Town, Lahore and was happy to know that there is no load shedding there which is a big relief for the residents and visitors. I am interested to know whether Bahria Town has set up it's own power generating plant or it is buying electricity from one of Independent Power Plants set up in our country. I believe other big Residential Socities like DHA will follow Bahria Town example in future if load shedding continues in the country.

visitor replied on Saturday, April 28, 2012 01:33 PM PST

That is because 
bahria bribe and steal which dha does not. More over you can give stollen electricity to few hundred houses but dha has tens or thousands of houses.

jk-pakistani replied on Saturday, April 28, 2012 01:57 PM PST

ae tahir lahooti us rizq se mot achhi...

Ejaz Ahmad replied on Saturday, April 28, 2012 02:40 PM PST

Visitor,it can't be true and is unbelievable what you wrote about 
Bahria stealing electricity. I think Bahria has either set up it's own power generating plant or it is buying electricity from one or more of IPPs and this possibilities should be looked into by DHA and other big Residential Societies to save residents from load shedding which getting worst ever year.

Khan replied on Saturday, April 28, 2012 02:56 PM PST
Bahria Town is not stealing the electricity and has its own arrangement to produce electricity.

Amir replied on Saturday, April 28, 2012 03:22 PM PST

In the start (2005-2006) 
Bahria Town Lahore started charging flat rate of Rs.7 per unit and then increased the rates to Rs.9 per unit and provided generator back up during load shedding hours. The quality of power through generators was not satisfactory as tripping was very common. Now Bahria Town Lahore has its own dedicated grid station which provides electricity without any problem.


I appreciate Bahria Town Lahore for managing the quality life for its members.

zahid replied on Saturday, April 28, 2012 03:40 PM PST

They are having owns generators system to pervade the non stop power

Ali Abbas replied on Saturday, April 28, 2012 03:49 PM PST
dha can also do this for its resident but its difficult. in bahria situation it is not that difficult as population is very low in bahria. defence is a city in a city

visitor replied on Saturday, April 28, 2012 04:34 PM PST

hamari piari qaum bohat hi bholi hai. the generators are just show pieces & cannot take the load of full bt. the grid is hooked to same system as other public system. but due to bribe to proper authorities it is always fed with mws needed for 
bahria.

that is defined as stealing by paying rishwat to the corrupt authorities, politicians & most corrupt media to keep them quite on such issues. the issue came up in some sections of media some time back but after taking their 'fee' they kept quite. they are all fed very well by malik riaz.

hamari bholi quam issi liay sab dunia se peeche hai. someone shud think whether the namaz in the stolen electricity light in bt is halal or haram. it is very funny. just keep quite & hush up.

yeh qaum bohat zarori kaam se so rahi hai.

zaheer replied on Saturday, April 28, 2012 05:30 PM PST

Even in Rawalpindi all phases of Bahria are load shedding free.

BT Lahore plot owner replied on Saturday, April 28, 2012 06:41 PM PST

yes it is a fact that BT is bribing the Wapda officials. when concern is raised by other societies and stays are taken then load shedding starts for a few weeks then it gets batter.

naseem lahore replied on Saturday, April 28, 2012 10:53 PM PST

@visitor,if Bahria steals, then why DHA rawalpindi-islamabad is shaking hands with BAHRIA TOWN? I will say,please do not misguide people.

Nadeem replied on Sunday, April 29, 2012 01:32 AM PST

Bahria cannot produce electricity on its own. Power generation units are installed at the dams which produce electricity from water, then WAPDA or PEPCO or other companies distribute. Nuclear power and wind power are not widely used in Pakistan. Bahria definitely does not have nuclear or wind power generation units. Then how come bahria produce electricity? Of course, it seems Bahria bribe power companies (Wapda, PEPCO etc.) malik riaz must have high links with politicians and then corrupt bureaucracy is always ready to get sale. No thoughts that one day a man will die and have to answer to ALLAH.

D replied on Sunday, April 29, 2012 03:06 AM PST

Mr visitor u got any proves of this bribe thing? i know something abt tht how they gets this, but lets hear this bribery and corruption thing from u.
SOMETIMES we just say without thinking and i think this the case tht u r misguiding us, or u can also prove me wrong, GIVE DETAILS PLZ.
TUHMAT LAGANA Gunnah hai.

Hussain Kaisrani replied on Sunday, April 29, 2012 11:15 AM PST

It is a fact that Bahria Town Lahore is load shedding free housing project. We used to face electricity problems in the past even though Bahria Town (specially for Safari Villas) Lahore has arrangements of heavy duty generators. As Amir has rightly said that these generators were not helpful in 2006 though Bahria Town Lahore was not much populated in those days.
Bahria Town was given electricity as per village quota and the situation went worst in the summer. We had a meeting with Malik Riaz Hussain Sahib, Chairman Bahria Town for resolving the electricity issue as we were paying higher rates and were not getting proper voltage of electricity. He promised to solve the issue of electricity and its rate within six months.
Bahria Town Lahore managed to have its grid station on such a place where two different high transmission lines are passing through. I am not a technical person but have been told that Bahria Town is taking the advantage of these two main lines. The rates of electricity in Bahria Town are now on normal level. The detail of our meeting with Malik Sahib and electricity rates was also provided on this page.
I am not aware of any bribe being paid by Bahria Town but if only bribe could solve the problem then why it did not help in the start. Once Malik Sahib himself told us that Bahria Town has made a deal with WAPDA that it will pay lump sump amount of electricity usage recorded on grid meter. WAPDA will not suffer for any electricity theft or line losses. Also WAPDA does not need to appoint any staff in Bahria Town other than grid station. It is also a great advantage and saving for WAPDA. And it should also be kept in mind that Bahria Town paid all the cost of installing grid station.

visitor replied on Sunday, April 29, 2012 01:13 PM PST

so that is the truth; a grid station taking electricity from two main lines without bribe of course because bahria town residents are preferred citizens of pakistan. right? while other minor citizens of pakistan and industries have to suffer from 16 to 20 hours loadsheding & they cannot take same advantage given to grid serving them. that is only because malik riaz knows the karishma of money. all these beuarucrates, politicians, including zardari & shahbaz sharif are in his pocket. all of them get 'gifts' from him & travel in his air planes. even the chief justice of this country is helpless against him because malik riaz can buy 'other judges'. all from patwari to president is in his pocket.

but this is temporary. when the things turn around malik riaz will either flee the country or will be jailed & these preferred citizens of bahria will also enjoy the equal opportunity loadshedding.

JOHAR (SAUDI ARABIA) replied on Sunday, April 29, 2012 01:36 PM PST

@ Visitor

Very True.We need to be fair in all walks of life.

gauhar replied on Sunday, April 29, 2012 02:39 PM PST

let we discuss other differences of Bahria town, bahria is safe &secure because malik riaz gives bribe to relevent security agencies,bahria is neat & clean(like europe) because they give bribe to sweepers & so on.....

Amir replied on Sunday, April 29, 2012 05:00 PM PST

Dear visitor: Respectfully, I beg to disagree with your sentence.

"hamari piari qaum bohat hi bholi hai."

I will even respect your right of opinion even if it is against me. The reason why our nation is lagging behind is not "Bholi Bhali" but the negative thinking. If we see somebody/entity doing well then because of our -ve mindset we try to find out something wrong in it. When I see somebody doing well I appreciate and try to learn how he is doing a particular thing so good. The same I inculcate in the head of my son daily at night as bed time story and I do ask him what positive thing he has learnt today. As a result He (age 12)does stock exchange trading, deals in prize bonds and always stands either first or second in his class and also know driving and computer more than me. Because, I have only exposed him to positive things which he applies in his daily life. I hope tonight before going to sleep you will ask from yourself what positive thing you have learnt and applied today. Learning is a process which continues til the end of our life. Best Regards

mac replied on Sunday, April 29, 2012 05:21 PM PST

I don't think so bahria mgt is bribing anyone because it is pretty evident and advertised they are trying to provide and maintain load shedding free society. I believe instead of criticizing BT, we should take it as learning and be implemented in other places. At least some one is doing something noticeable.

Apart from my comments Mr. Hussain Kaisrani has given a very transparent brief per his understanding & knowledge.

visitor replied on Sunday, April 29, 2012 05:53 PM PST

mr guhar

u r relating two different things. if u keep your house or business or scheme clean & secure that does not give u a clean chit about using corrupt & unjust means in other matters.

mr amir

appreciate your remarks. its very good & productive to have overall +ve attitude about various matters of life. however do not teach your son to be mahatma gandhi, otherwise he will be vulnerbale to be screwed by the criminals & ill-intentioned every single day of his life. teach him to be +ve about +ve things and -ve about -ve things. tell him its fine, in fact necessary to call a spade a spade, and very important to point out & take stand against evil. do not tell him to seek +ve aspects of evil when faced with the same in life.

mr mac

the point here is very simple. no one is arguing the +ves of bahria town. the only argument here is there is absolutely no provision in the load shedding management that allows u to 'legally' pay extra & get power all the time through public resources or public pool of resources. if bahria backup is not supported by their generators as mentioned by Mr Hussain Kaisrani & they r taking 24 hours power supply out of public resources/pool which is meant to be equally used for all areas, then that is 100% supported by corruption & illegal under the table arrangements.

please keep in mind many patients die in public and private hospitals each day during the load shedding. some times essential surgeries r performed under lights of mobile phones, if during loadshedding the backup generator also goes down.

this hush up and keep quite thing is the very basis of our unjust system. its got nothing to do with thinking +ve or -ve.

in our country if somewhere people r waiting in a queue for hours & someone with links, sifarish or rishwat bypasses the line usually most of the people waiting in the queue for hours (think +ve), just keep quite & accept it as a norm. that mindset is the real problem here. in developed countries people will scare the shit out of officials doing or allowing this unjust act. we are where we are, because of our complacent mindset not because we think -ve.

as I said earlier

yeh qaum bohat zarori kaam se so rahi hai

enough said.

Noble, KSA replied on Sunday, April 29, 2012 09:22 PM PST

Gents I am an electrical engineer myself, I would like to add the following;
1- that grid station is not a genrator this where WAPDA conrols on/off electricity for load shedding. BT bribes the grid station staff and then no load shedding. In the previous months when there was a strict rule and shortage was huge in BT Pindi there was a load shedding.

2- BT has no right to charge extra from the residents every month for electricity since it is not paying more rather buying electricilty at bulk at cheaper price. They are not adding any value or service.

Anyways this known to everybody there and people are paying it, Therefore it is a fact of life. If I do not want to become part of this theft should not deal with BT as simple as that.

Nadeem replied on Monday, April 30, 2012 05:29 AM PST

@ Noble, KSA... u r right that Grid station does not produce electricity. Everyone in this thread is talking about Grid Station... Grid Station... Excuse me, Grid Station does not produce electricity. As I said before, electricity is ONLY produce at the dams not Grid Station, then wapda or Pepco then distribute that electricity. Grid station reduce the high voltage (thousand of voltage) to low voltage (so that your TV and AC can work) - no electricity production.
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